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One-pass printing protocol

--copy of e-mail sent to Aaron Wolfe--

I noticed in the new printing protocol that switching between cartridges requires either emptying and refilling or changing the chips, and also that, assuming one only has one cartridge set up for the Fe and Cu precursors, that there is no way to incorporate them into the pattern. I went to look at the curve file to see if there was any customization possible, but I guess the file that was sent to us did not contain the editable .qidf version. Would it be possible for me to obtain a copy of this file? I would very much like to take a look at it. Another way to solve this issue I suppose is to create additional .tiff files for each cartridge combination. Thanks for the new protocol and let me know if there are any additional updates adding more functionality.

Re: One-pass printing protocol

I noticed in the new printing protocol that switching between cartridges requires either emptying and refilling or changing the chips

True- it's not ideal to have to pull cartridges every print, but swapping the chips is fairly easy once you get the hang of it.

and also that, assuming one only has one cartridge set up for the Fe and Cu precursors, that there is no way to incorporate them into the pattern.

For the Fe and Cu, you will have to make two cartridges each, unless you plan on rewriting the .quad each time you print. I find it far simpler to just have an extra cartridge of each precursor on hand.

I went to look at the curve file to see if there was any customization possible, but I guess the file that was sent to us did not contain the editable .qidf version. Would it be possible for me to obtain a copy of this file? I would very much like to take a look at it.

The curve we use is actually not a .qidf file. Quadtone uses both qidf and quad files to interpret tifs, and only the quad files allow us to input enough information. Additionally, I believe qidfs are put through smoothing algorithms when they are created, which would definitely not be useful to us.

The ternary.quad file is what you want to look at. You can open it in any text editor and make changes, then save it as a quad file. For each color, the long string of numbers following the name is the amount of ink deposited (from 0 to 65535- we print pretty lightly) for each grayscale bit from white (255) to black (0).

I will put the excel file I use to create quads for the funkalicious tif on the download page.

A program that would create a quad- based on what cartridges we want to print where- would be ideal, and I think the best solution to the issues you are getting at. It would allow us to truly take advantage of all seven cartridge slots- potentially 35 combinations if Fe and Cu are used, or if you preprint the internal standards. I am not a programmer, so if anyone can create this, that would be fantastic. If you are interested, please get in touch with me directly.

Another way to solve this issue I suppose is to create additional .tiff files for each cartridge combination. Thanks for the new protocol and let me know if there are any additional updates adding more functionality.

The problem with creating different tifs is that a quad file can only describe 256 fields, and we would need far more to cover the possible combinations from 7 metals.

double printing one metal

I had a question that may or may not be related to this thread, which I am only barely hanging on to...fast-flying talk of the quad files is a little intimidating...

We were going to try ammonium molybdate as a Mo precursor, but I think we are only going to able to make up 0.25 M (0.34 M is the solubility limit). One thought was to just go with that solution in the one printing pass scheme and this metal would just be less concentrated than the others.

The other thought I had was printing the one printing pass scheme, letting that dry, and then printing an additional pass with the Mo cartridge. I could think of multiple ways to achieve this. One being to print the whole scheme with only Mo in there and the other cartridges all empty. Or if we had the same graphic, but with only one metal contribution present to print on top. Any thoughts on the best way to do this?

-Maggie

Re: Double printing

We have also run into this problem while using our Dimatix
printer. Multiple-printing a lower molarity precursor only caused problems when we deposited so much material that spots began to spread.

A couple ideas:

--Reprinting the pattern with only the Mo cartridge should work just fine, but use truly empty carts (as opposed to the cleaning carts) in the other slots to avoid the spreading problem. This may be less of an issue if the first print is fully dried.

--If you are messing with quad files, it wouldn't be hard to build one that doubles the output of only the Mo cart, enabling you to still print in one pass.

I'll keep this issue in mind when we make the quad building program.

Wolfe

.quad file format

I came to that realization about the tifs myself as I looked at the spreadsheet you sent me. I began the initial process of creating new curve files, but the text editor on my computer doesn't seem to have the ability to save in the .quad format. Is there any special program I need to have to convert .txt files to .quad?

saving .quads

When you go to save your file, do Save as, change the file type to All files, and name the curve name.quad.